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		<title>Comment on Mission: Gather the best minds, ponder the responses to starting over, decide a course, begin. by We Are Not Alone! &#171; Public Education: Start Again</title>
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		<title>Comment on Was There Ever Joy In School? by Stephen Dill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Dill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a good interview of Kirsten by Steve Hargadon on Future of Education available archived at http://audio.edtechlive.com/foe/kirstenolson.mp3. She talks about the interviews behind the book, the options that she sees for those who realize their children are being wounded by schools, and current conversations around the institutionalization of value and normalized outcomes that leave so many learners out.

There is an interesting discussion of the responsibility for creation of market value (i.e. ability to get a job) in every child to public education, as opposed to the intention to help children learn how to learn, how to be inquisitive, how to investigate, and how to be a world citizen. Kirsten says that learning has become unmoored from the institution called education. Except for those who have no options, she sees the system we still offer being left behind. 

Steve asks Kirsten how anyone can get out of the industrialization of education with No Child Left Behind, and now, Race to the Top, sustaining the focus on testing and standardization across all demographics. 

Here is the link to the great resource in this effort some call ed reform, and a contributor to the evolution of a new system of learning: http://www.futureofeducation.com/

Many thanks to Steve and Kirsten!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a good interview of Kirsten by Steve Hargadon on Future of Education available archived at <a href="http://audio.edtechlive.com/foe/kirstenolson.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://audio.edtechlive.com/foe/kirstenolson.mp3</a>. She talks about the interviews behind the book, the options that she sees for those who realize their children are being wounded by schools, and current conversations around the institutionalization of value and normalized outcomes that leave so many learners out.</p>
<p>There is an interesting discussion of the responsibility for creation of market value (i.e. ability to get a job) in every child to public education, as opposed to the intention to help children learn how to learn, how to be inquisitive, how to investigate, and how to be a world citizen. Kirsten says that learning has become unmoored from the institution called education. Except for those who have no options, she sees the system we still offer being left behind. </p>
<p>Steve asks Kirsten how anyone can get out of the industrialization of education with No Child Left Behind, and now, Race to the Top, sustaining the focus on testing and standardization across all demographics. </p>
<p>Here is the link to the great resource in this effort some call ed reform, and a contributor to the evolution of a new system of learning: <a href="http://www.futureofeducation.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.futureofeducation.com/</a></p>
<p>Many thanks to Steve and Kirsten!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will Public Education Remain Public? by Learning Collective &#124; Global Guts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Learning Collective &#124; Global Guts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Was There Ever Joy In School? by patfarenga</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 15:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bravo, Stephen. Thanks for bringing these ideas to people. And don&#039;t forget: you can leave school if you are wounded and heal by unschooling, too. You don&#039;t have to keep putting up with a bad situation, hoping it will change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Stephen. Thanks for bringing these ideas to people. And don&#8217;t forget: you can leave school if you are wounded and heal by unschooling, too. You don&#8217;t have to keep putting up with a bad situation, hoping it will change.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Was There Ever Joy In School? by Peter Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 00:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen, great review of a great book.  I think almost everyone can identify with at least some of the school wounds that Kirsten Olson discusses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, great review of a great book.  I think almost everyone can identify with at least some of the school wounds that Kirsten Olson discusses.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Solutions by Stephen Dill</title>
		<link>http://allnewpubliceducation.com/solutions/#comment-2809</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well all right, then, Anthony! Care to expand on that theme a little more?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well all right, then, Anthony! Care to expand on that theme a little more?</p>
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		<title>Comment on We Knew What To Do About Slavery, Why Not Public Schools? by Stephen Dill</title>
		<link>http://allnewpubliceducation.com/2012/02/29/we-knew-what-to-do-about-slavery-why-not-public-schools/#comment-2785</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Dill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jake/John, thanks for your comment!

Cevin&#039;s topic is meant to be a comparison, not an analogy, based on an awareness of the damage that is done by the majority of public schools on the majority of students. Loss of the key cognitive skills of evaluation, analysis, and creativity counts among the most egregious wounds inflicted. Add to that list the near-total denial of any opportunity to realize the pleasure of learning, the indoctrination into the cult of &quot;average,&quot; and the branding of &quot;unteachable&quot; placed on anyone forced to rebel against the conformity the system expects, and you have an outrageous failure of a system paid for by tax dollars. 

But, as you illustrate, many do not recognize that damage. If helping you to meet people is what you expect from your schools, then I am sure the abolishment of public schools would make no sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake/John, thanks for your comment!</p>
<p>Cevin&#8217;s topic is meant to be a comparison, not an analogy, based on an awareness of the damage that is done by the majority of public schools on the majority of students. Loss of the key cognitive skills of evaluation, analysis, and creativity counts among the most egregious wounds inflicted. Add to that list the near-total denial of any opportunity to realize the pleasure of learning, the indoctrination into the cult of &#8220;average,&#8221; and the branding of &#8220;unteachable&#8221; placed on anyone forced to rebel against the conformity the system expects, and you have an outrageous failure of a system paid for by tax dollars. </p>
<p>But, as you illustrate, many do not recognize that damage. If helping you to meet people is what you expect from your schools, then I am sure the abolishment of public schools would make no sense.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We Knew What To Do About Slavery, Why Not Public Schools? by John Dow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Dow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The analegy between slavery and public schooling. I have noticed that you have taken to far. Yes we all hate school most of the time. 
School helps us most of he time. I have met most of my friends through school. and schools sets us up for collage which is needed in this economy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The analegy between slavery and public schooling. I have noticed that you have taken to far. Yes we all hate school most of the time.<br />
School helps us most of he time. I have met most of my friends through school. and schools sets us up for collage which is needed in this economy</p>
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		<title>Comment on Current Problem by Stephen Dill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Dill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 16:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe, you are right that politics is using education as a tool to grab the attention of voters. Promise all you want, these candidates are not going to change the status quo on inch, I predict.
 
But do you think that there is something deeper at work here? Ever notice that no one speaks of the inherent mindset of adults with regard to children these days? For decades it has seemed very confrontational.

Does anyone you know ask you if you think children are born with intelligence? Who among our networks is reassessing their roles as adults in raising children and thinking they could do more good to stand aside than to keep them tied to their hips? Why is it children do not play away from adults for hours at a time?

Much as I would like to think it&#039;s the system and politics and pay scales, I am thinking we need to go to a more fundamental level of change before we will see progress. What do you think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, you are right that politics is using education as a tool to grab the attention of voters. Promise all you want, these candidates are not going to change the status quo on inch, I predict.</p>
<p>But do you think that there is something deeper at work here? Ever notice that no one speaks of the inherent mindset of adults with regard to children these days? For decades it has seemed very confrontational.</p>
<p>Does anyone you know ask you if you think children are born with intelligence? Who among our networks is reassessing their roles as adults in raising children and thinking they could do more good to stand aside than to keep them tied to their hips? Why is it children do not play away from adults for hours at a time?</p>
<p>Much as I would like to think it&#8217;s the system and politics and pay scales, I am thinking we need to go to a more fundamental level of change before we will see progress. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Current Problem by Stephen Dill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Dill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 16:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please forgive my slow response, Nathan! I agree with you &lt;strong&gt;wholeheartedly&lt;/strong&gt;!! Through the eyes of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201002/children-teach-themselves-read&quot; title=&quot;Peter Gray&#039;s blog post on how children teach themselves to read&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Peter Gray&lt;/a&gt; I have seen the students of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sudval.org/&quot; title=&quot;The website for the Sudbury Valley School&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Sudbury Valley School&lt;/a&gt; in Framingham, MA, USA do just that: they learn from 4 years to whenever they see fit to leave by play. Day-in, day-out they interact with each other across acres of meadow and woods with only a farmhouse and a barn for their &quot;school.&quot; And yet for 37 years they have graduated students on to higher ed and life with consummate success, thereby disproving the claim that children cannot teach themselves, that children left alone will waster their time, and that only adults know how to teach a child what they need to know. Hog wash!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Toffler&quot; title=&quot;Alvin Tofler&#039;s bio on Wikipedia&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alvin Toffler&lt;/a&gt; said it well in 1970 in &lt;em&gt;Future Shock:&lt;/em&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Mass education was the ingenious machine constructed by industrialism to produce the kinds of adults it needed ... the solution was an educational system that, in its very structure, simulated this new world ... the regimentation, lack of individualization, the rigid systems of seating, grouping, grading and marking, the authoritarian style of the teacher—are precisely those that made mass public education so effective as an instrument of adaptation for its time and place.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you look over at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://allnewpubliceducation.com/solutions/&quot; title=&quot;Solutions to this challenge of a new education system&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Solutions page&lt;/a&gt; you may see much of what you envision. The technology of today, combined with the growing transparency of borders the world over, make for a rich opportunity to learn according to your passion and interests. In the end, every person alive can learn as they need and want information, putting to full use all of their cognitive skills and in the process building a truly global network of co-learners.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please forgive my slow response, Nathan! I agree with you <strong>wholeheartedly</strong>!! Through the eyes of <a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201002/children-teach-themselves-read" title="Peter Gray's blog post on how children teach themselves to read" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Peter Gray</a> I have seen the students of <a href="http://www.sudval.org/" title="The website for the Sudbury Valley School" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The Sudbury Valley School</a> in Framingham, MA, USA do just that: they learn from 4 years to whenever they see fit to leave by play. Day-in, day-out they interact with each other across acres of meadow and woods with only a farmhouse and a barn for their &#8220;school.&#8221; And yet for 37 years they have graduated students on to higher ed and life with consummate success, thereby disproving the claim that children cannot teach themselves, that children left alone will waster their time, and that only adults know how to teach a child what they need to know. Hog wash!</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Toffler" title="Alvin Tofler's bio on Wikipedia" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Alvin Toffler</a> said it well in 1970 in <em>Future Shock:</em> </p>
<blockquote><p>Mass education was the ingenious machine constructed by industrialism to produce the kinds of adults it needed &#8230; the solution was an educational system that, in its very structure, simulated this new world &#8230; the regimentation, lack of individualization, the rigid systems of seating, grouping, grading and marking, the authoritarian style of the teacher—are precisely those that made mass public education so effective as an instrument of adaptation for its time and place.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you look over at the <a href="http://allnewpubliceducation.com/solutions/" title="Solutions to this challenge of a new education system" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Solutions page</a> you may see much of what you envision. The technology of today, combined with the growing transparency of borders the world over, make for a rich opportunity to learn according to your passion and interests. In the end, every person alive can learn as they need and want information, putting to full use all of their cognitive skills and in the process building a truly global network of co-learners.</p>
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